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Four Ends Lane Near Miss 28th Sept 2012 - RAIB Bulletin out

Unread postby John Webb » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:12 pm

See http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/130311_B012013_Four_Lane_Ends.pdf for a short report on the near-miss at this crossing.
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Re: Four Ends Lane Near Miss 28th Sept 2012 - RAIB Bulletin

Unread postby Railnerd » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:22 pm

Hi.

I knew about this incident. Incredible that the barrier control box could make the barriers go up whilst the red lights were showing.
How difficult could it be to put an interlock on it?
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Re: Four Ends Lane Near Miss 28th Sept 2012 - RAIB Bulletin

Unread postby John Hinson » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:20 am

Railnerd wrote:I knew about this incident. Incredible that the barrier control box could make the barriers go up whilst the red lights were showing.
How difficult could it be to put an interlock on it?

It is basically a user-worked crossing where the road user raises the barriers themselves, but in this instance (unusually) a crossing-keeper had been subsequently provided to operate the barriers on the motorist's behalf. As such, one wouldn't expect such an interlock to be provided but as explained in the report this type of crossing is no longer permitted to be installed on public roads and is therefore obsolete.

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Re: Four Ends Lane Near Miss 28th Sept 2012 - RAIB Bulletin

Unread postby Eric » Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:57 pm

East Stoke (Dorset) manual gate level crossing is (Apr 2014) in the process of being changed to full barrier, controlled from the new Basingstoke signalling centre.

The crossing keeper has no signals to operate, and decides on his own judgement whether it is safe to open the gates to road traffic. He is in telephone and bell communication with Wareham and Wool signal boxes - both still manned. There is good visibility in both directions for train drivers, so it seems possible a train could stop if the crossing was seen to be blocked by a broken down or otherwise stuck road vehicle.

As for the attitude of the general public for either the flashing yellow or flashing red lights, why not put CCTV cameras on all barrier crossings, and put automatic points on licences for crossing on a red, just as with normal traffic lights? It seems not just the driving public, but the police, the CPS and the courts refuse to treat traffic lights and level crossing lights in the same way.
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Re: Four Ends Lane Near Miss 28th Sept 2012 - RAIB Bulletin

Unread postby Mike Hodgson » Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:01 pm

This is not really relevant to the Four Lanes End incident, so hopefully a moderator will move it to a new thread.

Unfortunately good visibility for both road and rail users is not good enough to avoid accidents. Even if the train driver can see the crossing is clear as he approaches, somebody might start to cross as he gets closer. If the crossing is going to controlled remotely from Basingstoke, I assume it will be fitted with CCTV, or it may be one of the new MCB-OD (obstacle detection) types, see this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3467&hilit=lidar

There are already quite a lot of crossings with cameras like speed cameras to catch offenders, but it is still a problem, despite TV advertising campaigns and police crack-downs.
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Re: Four Ends Lane Near Miss 28th Sept 2012 - RAIB Bulletin

Unread postby Late Turn » Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:43 pm

The two similarly manned crossings on our line, despite being provided with block indicator repeaters, now have a requirement for the keeper to phone the supervising box for permission to let anyone across - signal protection being provided until the crossing keeper confirms that it's clear and the gates secured again. Is this widespread nowadays, and in particular does it apply at East Stoke?

I don't doubt for one moment that protecting signals will be provided if control of the crossing is transferred elsewhere, with either CCTV or OD to prove crossing clear each time.
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