Signals

THE SIGNAL BOX


Railway signalling discussion

Manned crossing boxes

Discussion concerning level crossings

Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby DWAINWR2 » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:13 pm

Can anyone shed any light on the three crossings on the Sussex route plumpton littlehaven and whyteleafe
DWAINWR2
Crossing box
Crossing box
 
Posts: 55
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby Stuart Johnson » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:33 pm

What do you want to know?
Stuart J
User avatar
Stuart Johnson
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 839
Joined: Fri Nov 9, 2007 5:47 pm
Location: Metroland

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby DWAINWR2 » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:48 pm

The sectional appendix has them closed but they are still staffed
DWAINWR2
Crossing box
Crossing box
 
Posts: 55
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby Stuart Johnson » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:45 pm

I can't see anything in the SA about them being closed, and since they are all on busy public roads that would be highly unlikely. I'm looking at (eg for Plumpton) Table A Diagram SO590 002 of the SA dated December 2009, updated to supplement 24 of 5 September 2015, currently available on the NR website.
Stuart J
User avatar
Stuart Johnson
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 839
Joined: Fri Nov 9, 2007 5:47 pm
Location: Metroland

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby Train approaching » Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:34 pm

Train approaching
Branch line box
Branch line box
 
Posts: 103
Joined: Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:38 am

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby DWAINWR2 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:11 pm

Whyteleafe and whyteleafe south are both covered by cctv according to the SA
DWAINWR2
Crossing box
Crossing box
 
Posts: 55
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby DWAINWR2 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:13 pm

Littlehaven covered by cctv as well
DWAINWR2
Crossing box
Crossing box
 
Posts: 55
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby Stuart Johnson » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:04 pm

When Littlehaven was converted from manned gates to barriers in 2012, inquirers were told that it would probably be operated from the former gate box for "a couple of years" before control via CCTV was commissioned. Maybe someone with local knowledge can tell us whether this has happened yet.
Stuart J
User avatar
Stuart Johnson
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 839
Joined: Fri Nov 9, 2007 5:47 pm
Location: Metroland

Crossing box

Unread postby DWAINWR2 » Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:41 pm

Is Lincoln road gate box near Enfield still open
DWAINWR2
Crossing box
Crossing box
 
Posts: 55
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby Peter Gibbons » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:19 am

I think you will find that Littlehaven Crossing is CCTV, controlled from Three Bridges Panel 7. Not sure when the work was carried out, but I suggest that it was done as part of the resignalling between Horsham and Arundel, also part of Panel 7. The former gate box (formerly a signal box) now functions as a ticket office only, staffed by the TOC.

Plumpton Gate Box is still functioning as a gate box complete with wheel-worked gates. Plumpton is due to be abolished sometime this year and the crossing converted from a gated crossing to MCB-OD. The gate box (formerly a signal box) is Grade 2 listed.

Whyteleafe South Gate box is still functioning in the same way that it has done so since opening in 19/12/1982. In the back of the ticket office there is a small OCS type panel, complete with an illuminated track circuit paper diagram showing nearly the whole of the Caterham branch which controls both Whyteleafe South Crossing and Whyteleafe Crossing with the use of CCTV. It controls T564, T565, T565R, T566, T566R and T567. The SPT's for the stop signals connect with Three Bridges Panel 2. The situation for this OCS panel is likely to remain as it is until resignalling and transfer of control from Three Bridges ASC to Three Bridges ROC.
Peter G
User avatar
Peter Gibbons
Branch line box
Branch line box
 
Posts: 147
Joined: Fri Nov 9, 2007 1:07 pm
Location: Hassocks, West Sussex

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby DWAINWR2 » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:07 am

Many thanks Peter G
DWAINWR2
Crossing box
Crossing box
 
Posts: 55
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Re: Crossing box

Unread postby John Hinson » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:28 am

DWAINWR2 wrote:Is Lincoln road gate box near Enfield still open

Lincoln Road is permanently closed to vehicles but remains open to pedestrians. The crossing is only open between 0600 and 1800 Monday to Saturday. That was the situation as of last year and I doubt anything has changed.

There are long-term proposals for either a footbridge or a warning-light system to allow de-staffing.

See also: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5603

John
Image
‹(•¿•)›
User avatar
John Hinson
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 6784
Joined: Thu Nov 8, 2007 1:13 pm
Location: at my computer

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby DWAINWR2 » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:21 am

Thanks John I am trying to work out the number of manned crossing boxes/gate boxes on the network
DWAINWR2
Crossing box
Crossing box
 
Posts: 55
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby Adrian the Rock » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:46 pm

Peter Gibbons wrote:I think you will find that Littlehaven Crossing is CCTV, controlled from Three Bridges Panel 7. Not sure when the work was carried out, but I suggest that it was done as part of the resignalling between Horsham and Arundel, also part of Panel 7. The former gate box (formerly a signal box) now functions as a ticket office only, staffed by the TOC...
That sounds very plausible. Littlehaven certainly did continue as a GB both (a) at the point when Horsham itself was resignalled, and (b) when the crossing was converted to barriers. It was still my local station at that time.

The former SR knee frame had been decommissioned when the crossing was converted from gates to barriers, though it was deliberately left in the box at that time. At that time, which IIRC was after Horsham resignalling but before the Horsham-Arundel scheme, an electrical console was provided to operate the crossing and signal slots.
User avatar
Adrian the Rock
Rest-day relief
Rest-day relief
 
Posts: 722
Joined: Thu Nov 8, 2007 8:03 pm
Location: Malvern, England

Re: Manned crossing boxes

Unread postby DWAINWR2 » Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:59 am

Littlehaven crossing is manned from the station not Three Bridges SB
DWAINWR2
Crossing box
Crossing box
 
Posts: 55
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Next

Return to Level crossings

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests