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Re: Paint for levers

Unread postby Flipper_T_Rox » Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:07 am

However, in August 1962 (amended in December 1967), a painting schedule for S&T equipment on the LMR, stated to supersede all previous instructions, does indeed specify BS 381C No. 218 "Grass Green" for Gongs and Asking Levers.

5 years later, with the release of BR10, they were back to 221, so maybe the new colour didn't look the part !
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Re: Paint for levers

Unread postby John Hinson » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:18 am

Flipper_T_Rox wrote:However, in August 1962 (amended in December 1967), a painting schedule for S&T equipment on the LMR, stated to supersede all previous instructions, does indeed specify BS 381C No. 218 "Grass Green" for Gongs and Asking Levers.

5 years later, with the release of BR10, they were back to 221, so maybe the new colour didn't look the part !

I doubt it made a lot of difference. Any that I saw on the LMR did not look as if they had seen a paintbrush for a good fifty years.

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Re: Paint for levers

Unread postby Roger Bell » Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:12 am

Would the green 221 be correct for painting a No 6 tablet instrument and the red 537 for KT instruments?
Back on lever colours, what shade of white would look authentic to go with the above.
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Re: Paint for levers

Unread postby Chris Osment » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:45 am

I've seen ETT instruments in either a bright green (sort of LNER-ish) or a dark green (rather holly-like), so I suspect there was more than one 'green' used.
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Re: Paint for levers

Unread postby May1940 » Tue May 16, 2017 1:26 pm

Flipper_T_Rox wrote:
RichardH wrote:"Green BS 381C 221 "Brilliant Green" (grey u/c)"

I had an idea that levers should be painted 218 Grass Green which is slightly lighter than 221 Brilliant Green, which is really ‘Southern Green’.


As per my post above, I was posting from BR Standard 10, "Painting Schedule: Signal Boxes and Signal Department Equipment" of 1973, which requires the use of "Green Finishing Paint No. 221 71/109" on levers controlling gongs, and asking levers. The extract from Spec 71 at the start of the standard gives the following further information on the paint.

Specification No. 71 (Extract)
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Item 109 Brilliant green identification colour B.S.C. No. 221 Catalogue number 28/44570
...


The LNER schedules are far less prescriptive, stating only "Green". In the case of the 1936 schedule, the vast majority of colours in the schedule are referred to by their reference numbers in the then-newish (1931) B.S. 381, so it seems to be a conscious decision not to mandate a particular shade for gongs - perhaps to allow for differences in the shades used by the various pre grouping companies.

The GCR schedules make no mention of lever frame colours whatsoever.

I note that the most recent "guidance" I can find for green levers, in the form of the now withdrawn GK/GN0525, still details BS381C Shade 221 "Green" for levers controlling gongs, and asking levers.

GK/GN0677 is the only current document I can find which refers to colours to be used on lever frames, and it makes no mention of green at all. There is guidance on the shade of green to be used for switches on panels, but this is BS381C 220 "Olive Green" !

Both BS381C 218 "Grass Green", and BS381C 221 "Brilliant Green", were included in the original 1931 version of the standard, so are contemporaries.

Of course, this is, so far, only of technical interest to us - we have no green levers :-)


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I know this is some time after your original post but I wonder if you can help me.

I am looking into the development, content and use of BS 381 Colours for Ready Mixed Paints in the 1930s. I know that the railway companies were represented on the committee that developed the standard. In this connection I would like to find out more about what the companies' own colour specifications said just before and just after the standard was issued in 1930. I see that you mentioned an LNER colour specification of 1936 which used BS 381 colours. That is just what would have been expected of them if they had been part of the process of standardisation. You also later referred to a 1924 LNER specification which would have shown the situation before the standard was developed.

Do you know where I can get hold of a copy of those two specifications? It would be very helpful to look at the colours that are specified.

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Re: Paint for levers

Unread postby BRANSTYNO2SIGNALMAN » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:36 am

Been reading through all your comments very interesting when I painted the frame in Whitehaven Bransty No2 after Parton Box was closed in 2010 I went to a local paint shop and they mixed the yellow for the Distant signal levers for me with a good result just from a photograph of the frame.
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