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Re: Innovative freight connections in Scotland

Unread postby Mike Stone » Fri May 20, 2016 8:12 am

Surely FPLs are a red herring - the idea is surely that it would be installed after the last passenger and removed before the first, I wouldn't have thought there was any question of permitting passenger trains to traverse them normal or reverse?
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Re: Innovative freight connections in Scotland

Unread postby JRB » Fri May 20, 2016 8:31 am

It depends on if the device is a fixed diversion on top of the permanent track or points on top of the permanent track (as in tramway practice). Either way, the passenger route must be rigidly protected somehow. Either way I don't see anything really acceptable for UK passenger lines.
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Re: Innovative freight connections in Scotland

Unread postby edwin_m » Fri May 20, 2016 9:48 pm

If this is used only during posessions then I can see no problem, as long as it is supported by robust set of rules. In principle it's no different from many other things that engineers might want to do in a posession, removing a rail for instance, where assurance is needed that the line is fit for train movements before it is handed back. I'm assuming here that any parts that are left in place during traffic hours can be locked in the safe position to prevent tampering.
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Re: Innovative freight connections in Scotland

Unread postby JRB » Fri May 20, 2016 10:08 pm

Indeed, you can do anything during a possession. There could however be objections to using possessions for a routine traffic purpose.
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Re: Innovative freight connections in Scotland

Unread postby Mike Hodgson » Fri May 20, 2016 10:15 pm

I don't think I would describe use within engineering possessions as "innovative freight connections".

I get the impression from the website that although engineering works do seem to be their main target market they also envisage ad hoc use wherever there is a short term business case for a private siding.
Timber is specifically suggested as an appropriate cargo.
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Re: Innovative freight connections in Scotland

Unread postby JRB » Sat May 21, 2016 8:21 am

I think the temporary freight use is their main idea. They don't seem to have done their 'due diligence' on history & patents. We went all through it in about the 1890s when the things were (& still are) banned as unsafe.
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Re: Innovative freight connections in Scotland

Unread postby S&TEngineer » Sat May 21, 2016 8:25 am

Moderator Note: we have pushed this subject as far as it can go and as its not really a signalling matter the topic is now locked
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