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Crossing control points

Unread postby pigwiggins » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:52 pm

Someone asked me if I knew any countries where the signalling is controlled from one centre, but level crossings (CCTV or whatever) are controlled from another centre (not controlled locally, but from a separate place) It seems that IE do this. Any ideas?
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Re: Crossing control points

Unread postby S&TEngineer » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:56 pm

There are many examples of this in the UK where the signalling is controlled by a major centre but the level crossings are controlled by a more local centre. Two that spring to immediate mind are Kintbury; Main signalling controlled from Thames Valley Signalling Centre (TVSC) at Didcot, local crossing at Kintbury, remote CCTV crossings at Hungerford and Hampsted and Colthrop; Main signalling controlled from TVSC, local crossing at Colthrop, remote CCTV crossings at Thatcham and Midgham.

Are you thinking more of a situation where a larger number of remote level crossings are monitored?

Post edited 21/10/2015 to correct Theale to Thatcham
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Re: Crossing control points

Unread postby StevieG » Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:06 am

S&TEngineer wrote: " .... and Colthrop; Main signalling controlled from TVSC, local crossing at Colthrop, remote CCTV crossings at Theale and Midgham. .... "
With the number of locations you've been to and dealt with over the years, S&TE, it must be difficult to avoid occasional slight mis-typing.
For Theale, read Thatcham ?
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Re: Crossing control points

Unread postby S&TEngineer » Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:37 am

Doh..... :oops:
Original post corrected. Thanks Steve.
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Re: Crossing control points

Unread postby pigwiggins » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:14 pm

Thanks Guys

What I was really getting at is are there any other examples of the Athlone croosing control centre which controls crossings on the Waterford Tralee CTC. This is a bit more of a widespread area than, say Colthrop, or Cheltenham Alstone Lane (controlling Morris Hill and Swindon road, both within 2 miles). Some British power signalboxes have a 'crossings position' but in the same operating floor as the signallers. It appears the Crossing Operator at Athlone is some pay-grades lower than the CTC operator, who is located elsewhere. Someone said the Netherlands railways have examples, but I can't find any.
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Re: Crossing control points

Unread postby Pete2320 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:06 pm

Ranskill and Helpston on the ECML would appear to fit into this category along with others.

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Re: Crossing control points

Unread postby S&TEngineer » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:17 pm

How many level crossings does Athlone control then?
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Re: Crossing control points

Unread postby pigwiggins » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:28 pm

As far as I can make out all the crossings on the CTC Waterford Tralee section. There is an interesting report on an incident at Lavistown LC in 2012 which makes reference to it. If you google it under Lavistown level crossing incident you'll get the RSC website.
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Re: Crossing control points

Unread postby Wilkinstown » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:16 pm

There are two level crossing control centres in Ireland, one in Athlone, the other in Mallow. They each control around 60 crossings. As far as I am aware, none of the stop signals protecting these crossings are block signals.
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Re: Crossing control points

Unread postby Frank » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:38 pm

Hello,

Some British power signalboxes have a 'crossings position' but in the same operating floor as the signallers. It appears the Crossing Operator at Athlone is some pay-grades lower than the CTC operator, who is located elsewhere


This is traditionel for many Railways 8)
It fits the old Tradition of Crossing keepers are much lower paid then Signal man.

Here in Germany we had a special Term for them Bü-Beobachter in your Language the best Term for that is "Crossing Supervisor".
But they slowly gone because of the modern Computer Level Crossing Systems with Radar-controlled Track and Street.
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