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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby guard_jamie » Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:18 pm

Keep the information coming Gentlemen, it is all good! I have decided to keep RHDR in the running and have added New Romney Box which I was not aware of. I know that strictly the line has never been preserved but it is certainly in a different category to Network Rail.

Andrew, what are the names of the L&HR boxes?
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby Mike Hodgson » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:25 pm

Oddly enough, they're called Lakeside and Haverthwaite!

The line was a branch from Ulverston, that box being still in service with Network Rail I believe, but the intervening line to Haverthwaite was lifted. The branch traditionally carried heavy seasonal tourist traffic, as at Lakeside the line connects with steamers on Lake Windemere.
For more info see their website, although it doesn't say much about signalling :
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby Andrew G » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:14 am

Mike Hodgson wrote:Oddly enough, they're called Lakeside and Haverthwaite!

The line was a branch from Ulverston, that box being still in service with Network Rail I believe, but the intervening line to Haverthwaite was lifted. The branch traditionally carried heavy seasonal tourist traffic, as at Lakeside the line connects with steamers on Lake Windemere.
For more info see their website, although it doesn't say much about signalling :
http://www.lakesiderailway.co.uk/


The Branch actually joined the Main Line at Plumpton Junction - the Box there doesn't exist any more - although the one you mention Ulverston does.

You can see the boxes on my FlickR site:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/llangolle ... 240874983/
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby John Hinson » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:35 am

Nit-pick factor - it joined the Furness main line with a triangular junction, the other box on the main line where it joined was Levens Junction.

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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby Mike Hodgson » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:40 am

Thanks for that Andrew. It must be 30 or 40 years since I was there.
Seems the starters are free pulls, worked using just a simple train staff, with the tablet instrument there as something for the future?
Looks as though there is some pole route at Haverthwaite, presumably the signal repeaters
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby Graham Maxtone » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:34 pm

Andrew G wrote:
Mike Hodgson wrote:?.... Boat of Garten North doesn't as the frame is from Carr Bridge.


Do you know when did the Carrbridge frame replaced the one that was in the North 'box at closure in 1965?
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby Graham Maxtone » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:36 pm

Andrew G wrote:
Mike Hodgson wrote:?.... Boat of Garten North doesn't as the frame is from Carr Bridge.


Do you know when did the Carrbridge frame replaced the one that was in the North 'box at closure in 1965?
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby Andrew G » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:38 pm

Graham Maxtone wrote:
Andrew G wrote:
Mike Hodgson wrote:?.... Boat of Garten North doesn't as the frame is from Carr Bridge.


Do you know when did the Carrbridge frame replaced the one that was in the North 'box at closure in 1965?
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I was just going by the SRS Signalling Atlas and Directory which states the frame was installed in 1993 - box re-opened in 2006.
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby Andrew G » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:40 pm

Mike Hodgson wrote:Thanks for that Andrew. It must be 30 or 40 years since I was there.
Seems the starters are free pulls, worked using just a simple train staff, with the tablet instrument there as something for the future?
Looks as though there is some pole route at Haverthwaite, presumably the signal repeaters


Yes line is operated under OTW regulations.

When I visited originally in the mid 1980's Tablet Instruments were there and in working order - but not used. They might well have survived from BR days. I don't think there are any plans to use them operationally, but that is just a guess.

Not sure about the pole route.
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby guard_jamie » Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:27 pm

Can anybody confirm whether the frame at Bishops Lydeard is a pre-WSR installation?
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby Chris L » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:02 am

I know it doesn't quite meet your criteria now, but the "porter's room extension" signal box at Corfe Castle on the Swanage Railway has just sprung to mind.

This replaced the original SB in the mid-1950s and served up until the closure of the line; it remained, as I understand it, complete with frame, in situ and was refurbished by the heritage railway group. It was used until a couple of years ago when the current box was built and opened on the site of the original SB.

I believe the frame etc. is still in the "box"; I have heard that it may be used in future for demonstration purposes.

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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby Chris Osment » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:04 am

guard_jamie wrote:Can anybody confirm whether the frame at Bishops Lydeard is a pre-WSR installation?

My original posting on this seems to have got lost :-(

The previous (not the original) frame was removed by BR after the box closed in 1970. The frame now in there was installed by the WSR and is part of the frame recovered from Westbury South.
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby guard_jamie » Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:55 pm

Thanks both.
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby John Webb » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:36 pm

Chris L wrote:I know it doesn't quite meet your criteria now, but the "porter's room extension" signal box at Corfe Castle on the Swanage Railway has just sprung to mind.

This replaced the original SB in the mid-1950s and served up until the closure of the line; it remained, as I understand it, complete with frame, in situ and was refurbished by the heritage railway group. It was used until a couple of years ago when the current box was built and opened on the site of the original SB.

I believe the frame etc. is still in the "box"; I have heard that it may be used in future for demonstration purposes.

Chris.

Yes, I can confirm from a visit by myself and colleagues from St Albans S in early June this year that the frame and associated equipment is being restored for demonstration purposes, although we couldn't be given a completion date. Here it is:
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Re: 'Original' signal boxes on Heritage Railways.

Unread postby Chris L » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:04 pm

Thanks very much John.

The block instrument is an interesting addition!

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