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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby Garethmackay135 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:31 pm

I actually have to diagree with Mad Mac said that Network Rail has only one AOCL/AOCR level crossing left. In the highlands of Scotland there are 2 AOCL level crossings left. One in Dingwall (Craig Road) and the other on a road that joins Delny to the main road. (A9) I will send a post of 2 weblinks. One a youtube link of the AOCL in Dingwall and the other of a picture of the Delny AOCL.

Here is the link for the youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8dYshoApVQ

Here is the link for the Delny photo:
http://www.flickriver.com/places/United ... ny/search/

Enjoy. :D
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby Stuart Johnson » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:15 pm

Garethmackay135 wrote:I actually have to diagree with Mad Mac said that Network Rail has only one AOCL/AOCR level crossing left. In the highlands of Scotland there are 2 AOCL level crossings left. One in Dingwall (Craig Road) and the other on a road that joins Delny to the main road. (A9)


Mad Mac was quite correct. Rosarie is the only remaining AOCR. The others you mention are AOCLs, a different animal altogether but now becoming rare, thankfully.
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby John » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:39 am

But there are two heritage railway AOCRs; Talyllyn & NYMR
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby hussra » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:12 pm

John wrote:But there are two heritage railway AOCRs; Talyllyn & NYMR

Delurking after a prolonged absence. I'm not convinced it is helpful to think of Forestry Crossing on the Talyllyn as an AOCR, though clearly it is a hybrid of some sort. Like an AOCL, authority for trains to cross the road is conveyed by driver's warning lights. Yes, it has a measure of fault reporting back to Abergynolwyn block post in addition to the DWL - and, indeed, the ability to inhibit operation of the crossing from Abergynolwyn when the staff is on its rest (shades of an AOCD, though not the same :-)) but I still think it's more helpful to think of it as some sort of "enhanced AOCL" rather than an AOCR.

(Actually, on searching I find we had more-or-less this same discussion some years ago: http://forum.signalbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=933)
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby Mike Hodgson » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:53 pm

Haven't been up that way for nearly three years unfortunately. Does anybody know if Rosarie AOCR is still extant?
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby Mad Mac » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:00 pm

Still there, although NR is endeavouring to close it.
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby Mike Hodgson » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:04 pm

Thanks Mac
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby Mad Mac » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:01 pm

Bit of an update re this:

Apparently the closure was in an older NR document - it's not mentioned in the latest version. There is a significant amount of work going on in the area just now (lengthening loops, moving Forres station and extending Inverness eastward), and I thought that it would be sensible to do something with Rosarie at the same time.....
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby Signal-sighter » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:42 pm

Apparently there are issues with land purchase for a bridge, which was plan A. The council are not supporting closure either due to the narrow bridge and busy junction at the other end of the road. I understand that this means the crossing is likely to be upgraded to an AHB in the fullness of time, assuming the money doesn't run out first.
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby Mike Hodgson » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:18 pm

I thought these new-fangled AOC+Bs were cheaper and preferred?
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby AN106 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:10 am

Mike Hodgson wrote:I thought these new-fangled AOC+Bs were cheaper and preferred?

AOC+Bs are only suitable for conversions from existing AOCLs, not AOCRs.
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby StevieG » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:30 pm

Is AOC+B just a re-designation of ABCLs ?
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby Mike Hodgson » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:58 pm

No Steve - it's a modification to an AOC by retro-fitting half-barriers.
Although this makes it look awfully like an ABCL to the driver of a train or car, there are technical differences
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby StevieG » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:34 pm

Mike Hodgson wrote:
StevieG wrote:Is AOC+B just a re-designation of ABCLs ?
No Steve - it's a modification to an AOC by retro-fitting half-barriers.
Although this makes it look awfully like an ABCL to the driver of a train or car, there are technical differences
Thanks Mike.
However a niggling feeling remains that somewhere along the way (might be 20 years ago) there was a case(s) of an AOC being equipped with barriers and re-defined as an ABCL. I suppose if so, it (they?) could have been a case of also incorporating the 'technical differences', so making it a proper conversion; or was it?: potentially confusing !

[ Thread drift alert ! - Apologies John et al; I will now desist.]
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Re: Rosarie AOCR

Unread postby AndyB » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:36 am

It also has to be remembered that AOCR is AHB without barriers! Presumably the console in the supervising cabin only proves the wigwags are operating, where AHBs prove barriers down or failed.
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