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Re: My website of Austrian interlockings, plus a call for he

Unread postby Frank » Thu Oct 3, 2013 6:40 am

Hello,

some to that:
I'm not so sure about this (and, actually, my gut feeling is just the opposite). In the case you cite, the number of arms (and discs) would be identical in Austria, and even larger in Germany: For one direction, you need
(a) three-position distant home (=2 "arms")
(b) three-position home (=2 "arms") + (at least) two-position distant starter (1 arm)
(c) two two-position starters (=2 arms [actually 2x2 arms, but the 2 arms are coupled together on each starter])
which comes to 7 levers. For both directions, this gives a sum of 14 levers, *not* counting the route levers (8 in this case) (and 2 points levers and 4 FPL levers, in contrast to 2 points levers and 2 FPL levers in UK/Eire).


The Distant Home Signal is normally operated trough the mechanism at the Home Signal and has no Lever.
Distant Starters are only on Station with a Line Speed,that requires 700 Meter ore more of Braking distance.

Another thing is the Gruppen-Ausfahrsignal (Group-Starter),this means one Signal with a Group of Subsidiary Signals (Sperrsignale/Protection Signals) for several Tracks.


•How "fully" signalled? ok, the placement and number of stop signals at a station at a double track mainline with heavy traffic - near London or near Berlin


ohh.....Berlin is yawn :-) Cologne with Passenger and Freight Trains is the Pinhole in the German Net.



and also there, all mechanical desings seem to have reached in their most advanced designs that limit of 2...3 minutes between steam-driven trains that is anyway necessary because of the typical braking distances (and is still the norm on all mixed-traffic railways as far as I know).


For the pure Blockworking a mechanical Felderblock needs 120 Seconds Time from putting the Signal to Danger and blocking back so that the rear Box could start the next Train.
The Standard Distance between manually operated Blockpost/Boxes was 3 Kilometers,so additional 200 Seconds must added for the next Train.
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Re: My website of Austrian interlockings, plus a call for he

Unread postby hmmueller » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:18 am

After quite some time, I have added an "Austrian" posting in my English blog, showing again my 12SA lever frame. It is now at a small museum in Lower Austria called Sammlung Grafenberg ("Grafenberg Collection"), together with another lever frame of type 5007. On a somewhat cold day before Easter, the collector (Werner Prokop) and I had quite some fun running trains and emulating real old-style single line working and taking some photos and videos ... (... although my knowledge about the necessary procedures is quite rusty, after 30 or so years).

... just as a proof that a few (very few) people on the continent also share that enthusiasm in the old interlocking machinery!

Regards & all the best from Germany!
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Re: My website of Austrian interlockings, plus a call for he

Unread postby hmmueller » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:49 am

A long time later, I have added (as advertised in another thread) seven postings about mechanical interlocking frames in the Netherlands, starting with this posting.
I collected the information mainly by studying the preserved frames on the ZLSM, i.e., the Zuid-Limburgse Stoomtrein Maatschappij museum railway and the two websites seinarm.nl and www.klassiekebeveiliging.com. Of course, all errors are mine ...

My postings will now continue with photographs from a trip to Switzerland in 1988, the first set of which I have posted here.

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Re: My website of Austrian interlockings, plus a call for he

Unread postby Andrew Waugh » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:45 pm

Great stuff, and well put together.

Would you like some photos of the interior of Simpelveld Post II that I took in 2005?

Did they still have the display of signalling equipment in the waiting room on the island platform?

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Re: My website of Austrian interlockings, plus a call for he

Unread postby hmmueller » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:00 pm

Andrew -

photos of post II would be nice - could I publish them (as an "add-on posting") with your name mentioned?

... and I overlooked the waiting room on the island platform - just ran around along the tracks. So, I don't know about that equipment - sorry (also for me ;) )

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Re: My website of Austrian interlockings, plus a call for he

Unread postby Andrew Waugh » Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:24 pm

Photos sent to the email address on your web page. Let me know if they get lost in transit.

You're very welcome to use them anyway you wish.

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Re: My website of Austrian interlockings, plus a call for he

Unread postby hmmueller » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:56 pm

To Andrew, after a million of years: I somehow forgot about your photos ... they are still spinning on my harddisk, but I'll find time to create a posting from them - I promise!

In the meantime, I have finally found time to publish 22 postings about a visit to Switzerland in 1988, with quite a handful of interlocking frames of various sorts. Instead of listing all of them here, I just give the link to the first posting, from where you can continue with the "Newer Post" link on the bottom left(!) of each page. A specialist from Switzerland, Hanspeter Thöni, has thankfully added many expert and background comments with information I would never have known, and I have translated all this to English - I think it is worth reading.

In my blog in German, I have then added a few postings more postings with Austrian frames from 1989, and more postings with pictures from the 2005 to about 2014 I got from other people ...

... and soon, I will start with a series of another 20 or so postings with photos from a journey to Sweden in 1989.

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Re: My website of Austrian interlockings, plus a call for he

Unread postby left » Tue Oct 3, 2017 4:56 am

Thanks a lot! Just one thing, why did you call this: http://www.hmmueller.de/DVDA_x1000/61-002.jpg "minimalist"?!
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Re: My website of Austrian interlockings, plus a call for he

Unread postby hmmueller » Tue Oct 3, 2017 7:28 am

You're welcome!

left wrote:Just one thing
re this posting: Well, if one considers this to be a sort of ground frame, it is certainly the smallest possible one - just one lever.

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Re: My website of Austrian interlockings, plus a call for he

Unread postby left » Tue Oct 3, 2017 3:33 pm

I did some research and now I get it: I didn't know the existence of "ground frames" at all. Your blog is amazing. And I still haven't seen it all!
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